Show Notes
I’ve spent the last handful of episodes diving deep into business valuations, M&A jargon, and how buyers think about value. But here’s the thing—most of it doesn’t matter unless you actually have cash left over at the end of the day.
That’s why I brought Patrick Donohue back on the show. He and I have been in the trenches, working with owner-operators who are juggling cash flow, making sense of the noise, and trying to figure out how to actually use their business to create wealth.
In this episode, we strip away the BS and focus on the fundamentals—how to manage and maximize free cash flow so you have real options as an owner. Patrick and I talk about why EBITDA is misleading, how financial jargon is designed to confuse business owners, and how to structure your company’s financials to serve your ownership goals.
If you want to ensure you’re making financial decisions that actually increase your freedom—not just grow revenue for the sake of it—this episode is a must-listen.
Patrick Donohue is an investor, entrepreneur, and author of Breakout Valuation. As the founder of Hill Capital Corporation, he helps privately held business owners access the capital they need to grow without giving up control. His mission is to simplify financial decision-making so that entrepreneurs can focus on what really matters—building a profitable, cash-flowing business that serves their long-term ownership goals.
Chapters:
- (00:00) Discussion of independence, value creation and free cash flow fundamentals
- (06:53) The problem with Wall Street complexity and financial terminology
- (08:44) Examining the role of valuation businesses and industry complexity
- (13:05) Hill Capital's approach to business investment and returns, dangers of predatory fintech and merchant cash advances
- (19:01) Real-world example of factoring costs and cash flow struggles
- (24:40) Breaking down merchant funding attributes and warning signs
- (30:16) Understanding capital matching and funding incentives
- (42:49) Discussion of business forecasting and economic engine optimization
- (52:26) Analysis of capital matching and funding options for growth, demographic changes on business cash flow
- (01:05:49) Dell Computer example and cash conversion optimization
- (01:15:47) Exploring business exit options and maintaining company culture
- (01:20:04) Closing thoughts on entrepreneur options, decision-making, and peer connections
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Ryan Tansom is a seasoned entrepreneur, speaker, and the founder of Independence by Design™, a transformative ownership framework for growth-oriented business owners. After turning around and selling his family business in an eight-figure exit, Ryan spent over a decade dissecting the lessons learned from his journey. His mission is to help other business owners avoid the pitfalls he encountered by providing them with the tools and knowledge to align their business operations with their personal and financial goals.
With a deep understanding of the challenges faced by owner-operators, Ryan developed Independence by Design™ to empower owner-operators to create sustainable cash flow, grow their company’s equity value, and achieve true independence. He has shared his insights on hundreds of stages, including Vistage, EO, and industry associations, and has reached over 500,000 listeners through his podcast.
Ryan is passionate about helping business owners get unstuck from the day-to-day grind and design a business that serves their life, not the other way around.
Resources:
Website: Hill Capital Corporation
Breakout Valuation: How to Finance Your Future Today
Hill Capital Summit November 2025
Independence by Design™ Workshop: https://ryantansom.com/independence-by-design-workshop
Independence by Design™ Ownership Coaching: Ryan Tansom’s Ownership Accelerator programs and coaching https://ryantansom.com/coaching
Ryan Tansom Website https://ryantansom.com/
Ryan Tansom LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryantansom/
Ryan Tansom Twitter https://twitter.com/RyanTansom
Ryan Tansom YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@ryantansom
Ryan Tansom 30-Minute Ownership Strategy Call https://calendar.app.google/tsKk7z6ohugDchWq8
Sound Bites:
"Valuation is a scoreboard. Cash flow is how you actually win the game." – Ryan Tansom
"I don’t care what your business is ‘worth’ if it doesn’t generate cash for you." – Patrick Donohue
"If you don’t understand where your money is going, you don’t own a business—you own a liability." – Patrick Donohue
"Too many entrepreneurs are optimizing for a hypothetical valuation instead of actual cash flow." – Ryan Tansom
